PMF Vision

[wry]

Owen wrote:

"Quoting wry "It is important to engage in serious inquiry, and one never knows where it lead. If we already know, then it is not inquiry. The deepest level of questioning opens the door to experience the living quality of sheer living nspiration which I believe is interconnected to the conscious functioning of a higher intelligence.."

I would like to enter an extra level into this topic. There is an extra purpose; to produce such abundance that there will be no more need on this earth. The resulting abundance would require us to concentrate on affairs of transcendence...."
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Wry: Hi Owen. What I was responding to is what I read as a lack of faith in the viability of this project succeeding without some kind of  (unknown)( being added.

For instance, as a teenager I say I want to be an artist or musician or inventor, but my parents want me to be a teacher or an accountant. I met a young girl last night who is studying business in college, and her face looked funny when she told me this, so I asked her what she really wanted to be and she said, "your're not going to believe this, but I want to be an actress."

So here we have the situation in a nutshell. There is magical belief, which is the thinking of children or idealists, but then there is the logical implentation of various plans by taking steps, and if you let other people who are are not so inspired as yourself break down your personal vision with their ifs and buts to the degree that you never take the required steps, then you will not actualize your vision, but if you just believe in your vision and do not take the required steps, then, also, your vision will not be actualized.

I only read the thread once as my time is limited, but the sense I got is that some people were tenatively and rather tactfully putting forth their own sense/feeling that this project is utopian, which is a form of idealism.

So we can view inquiry into the probability of actual implementation as a breaking down of faith, which limits the viability of actualizing the project, or we can look at such inquiry as an initial stage of implementation.

One thing a parent does, which is a parental version of what I suppose could be called magical thinking, is to try to impose his knowledge on the child without creating within the child the various stages of physical experimentation for the child to realize his own personal understanding   So this may be interesting to look at.

Secondly, I question if the creation of material abundance preceeds matters of transcendence. In a practical sense, yes, agreed: one has to set up conditions of abundance or what some call leisure in order to be able to focus on spiritual practice to the degree that may be necessary to effect certain changes within oneself, but according to David, or at least according to my understanding of what he wrote to me, such a transcendence circumvents clock or thought time in the sense that transformation is immediate; however, the problem for me is that I am not able to directly correlate an immediate experience of spontaneity within my self to a sense of spontaneity within the realm of experience of various scientists, nor do I usually live life so directly myself that my actions directly result in material abundance. I am more and more approaching living life at that level, but such talk of approaching etc. are of a different paradigm and so actually serve to break down the experience of direct spontaneity. This is whty it may be necessary to consciously approach from both ends of the stick and also, to use the middle..

So what specifically are we talking about here when we talk about funding various scientists so they can have lesiure to brainstorm? We are talking about convincing various people such as ourselves and people with even less understanding to give their money to fund people who also have little understanidng in that they are not spontaneous, and if we look at this from such an angle, other questions arise.

My understanding is that there is, as it is put in Kabballic writings I have glanced at, a material and spiritual aspect, but my reading of these kind of writings is that the word spiritual is not really meant as immaterial but as a less dense level of materiality. Granted, at the 'moment' of instantaneous transformation, it is not possible to make a measurement; however, to translate such an understanding into the realm of the mundane in such a way that it affects other people is not possible without applying the laws of cause and effect. This is why God (whatever God means to you) created time. Okay, gotta go. Remember, unless we approach from deep inquiry, then it is not possible to experience from a different angle which gives epiphany regarding how to actualize the material (more dense) elements of this project in the mundane (ordinary) world, and yet, from my personal perspective, such epiphany alone is not enough, but it is necessary to intentionally create a bridge. Okay. Love, Wry

[owenthomas]

I wonder if we are off the topic. Is the topic only intended for discussion of a potential public statement of the vision of Project mind? I would like to propose that we discuss wording to enlarge the vision. I need to know if any other members want that focus in this thread.

The response by WRY was a joy to read; I am grateful for the time taken by WRY to at least clarify the meaning of a previous post. I would like to know WRY better in order to respond but was not able to get any idea of who the person is; I do not even know whether to address the response to him or her.

"Wry: Hi Owen. What I was responding to is what I read as a lack of faith in the viability of this project succeeding without some kind of  (unknown)( being added."

I also feel that something needs to be added. The vision is not as specific as I need. The vision lacks specifics which I need for explaining Accelerated Thought. I would like to know specific wording that can be placed into the vision to fill the gap I mention and I would also like to know if other members agree with my desires or if they have other proposed modifications to the vision statement.

I have experienced some breakthrough thoughts in my experience as a scientist Those thoughts always led to some type of physical action but my science was not used to produce consumer articles. It is my opinion that AT and the PMF facility must be coupled with some physical prototyping shops to create samples of the material benefits mentioned in the vision.

My retirement allows time for research and I have been studying the philosophies of thought.

The simplest product of thought is a dissertation or essay on a topic. That type of product is what David left for us. I do not know if he left any products or even any funded financial system to be used for fund raising. What are the products of his thought?

Equipment is a product of thought. I have just received a book "Thing Knowledge" by a philosopher Davis Baird. He is the son of a businessman who produced instruments used in science for accelerated analysis of metal alloys. The book has an extended analysis of how knowledge is incorporated in the material things used by science for speeding physical results in a manufacturing process. It may be that PM can incorporate a vision of producing scientific instruments that will accelerate productivity.

I think that I am following the topic which is "the vision of PM".

I would like to continue discussion with WRY under another topic. What topic would interest WRY who signs with Love?

with Love and an intended blessing,

Owen

[wry]

Hi Owen.

I am a woman in her sixties whose special interest, indeed passion for the last 16 years is the study of how to use email or phone mediums which fall under the catagory of "bulletin boards" to artifically effect a certain organization in human social systems which organization will stimulate epiphany by forcing up the learning curve not only for the populations in selected mediums, but possibly even also for other larger populations which are not overtly involved. I guess my work on the internet is based on the way an electro-magnetic medium can be consciously (intentionally) used to facilitate the interconnection of various material qualities in human beings in such a way that there is transmutation which leads to further refinement/reorganization that ultimately results in the spontaneous transformation of intelligence. So mind affects matter by certain principles, but it is important to understand that in the way I am using these terms, mind is also material, which is why I mentioned the Kabballic usage of the terms matter and spirit in a previous posting.

What is a bulletin board? It is a means of communication such as even a bulletin board on a wall on which people tack messages, in which the volume of communication does not exceed the degree to which each member of that community can easily access the messages of the other members without losing the thread of meaning, so this meaning can be shared and 'evolve' over clock time in such a way that further reinforces and supports the formation of community. In this sense, a chatroom in which there are many dozens or even hundreds of messages each day does not fall under the catagory of a bulletin board, not do voice communications that occur only in present time in that they are not individually recorded. The unique characteristic of such bulletin board communities is that they mirror the formations of physical communities in ordinary life in most ways, but there are certain differences that allow scientific principles to be applied in such a way that can accelerates the learning curve, result in epiphany and even clairvoyance..

What I have written above perhaps does not fall under the catagory of this board, but I am only posting it because you asked, as a means of introduction, as I am not into speaking about this topic right now, though I may mention in the context of another discusssion, so if you want to repy to anything I have said about bulletin boards, maybe we can talk about this subject later on a different area of the forum; however, after today rereading all of the messages in this thread twice, I feel that the the last message I have written and what I am going to be writing in the immediate future, does belong in this particular catagory. If deemed necessary, I might  move to a different catagory, I suppose, but if people want to get discussion going,  it is probably not a good idea at this point to put a damper on any communcation that springs up.

So, to continue, I have read the entire thread three times now, and find it fascinating. What I have written yesterday and also my first message were in response to the entire gist of what I read. What is to continue is based on the definition of what we are doing. 

I do not have much time to write more now, but here are a few quick comments based on what I have reread today. I have noticed a couple of people in what they written personifying "science." This way of thinking, though understandable, can possibly function as at least a minor downfall, as science is composed of individuals, as is community, but in this particular instance, "science" does not in actuality share all of the unifying characterics of the generalized term of "community," though a scientist who is part of an individual community might share certain characteristics.

Secondly, I have a question re what someone wrote about the sustaining of a state of excitability (my phrasing, not his). I believe the experiencing of such excitabilty depends on the experiencing of contrast between excitability and non-excitability. This subject, too, can possibly continued on another board, as we are speaking of the specific dynamics of AT.

What I am trying to respond to in my writing here is the general feeling I got from the comments in this thread which is, in my words and by my understanding, that the way this project is being conceptualized may not contain to the degree which is piossible the seeds of its own actualization. Of coursae the seed of a vision is always in oneself,  but the way material is framed can affect the way it is looked at, so can present either a further opening or some kind of limitation. And this is something it might be imteresting to look at.

Finally, I would like to quote a portion of a post by Liam:


"...There are two main tasks.

i) find the candidates
ii) find the funding.

i think enormity of these tasks have been cripplingly overwhelming at times.

Rather i think we should make no effort to try to solve them. Just have faith.
We should instead direct out efforts to developing the PM community. This is a cultural work.

The associates should dig deep within themselves to find what is their unique gift, the thing they most long to give, the thing they have received in order to give, and know the value of.
By bringing these things together, we will create an energy, this will take form and the burning bush will grow.

In pragmatic terms i mean to say 'the PMF online community will spark creatively in a way that will generate interest and make the PMF concept spread. The candidates will hear the call and join, as will those who will create the facility."

This, to my mind, is the appropriate approach which will lead to actual results.

Basically, by my understanding, he is talking about making/allowing the conscious interconnection between people begin to function as a lving bridge in order for the divine spark to completely, and without effort, spontaneously transform, but in the beginning stages of laying a foundation for this, it might take work. By my understanding at least, such a miracle needs a special (appropriately dedicated and sanctified ground or inner earth to touch onto, and what else is this but inner goodness of the individual members of a community who are consciously functioning each for each? Perhaps, if anyone is interested, we can discuss this later in more detail.

To conclude, re framing various personal visions, ideas and projects, such a framing can be be very subtly insidious, which is perhaps why David did not directly speak of of how to achieve accelerated thought. (From a quantum physics perspective, consider the Heisenberg uncertainity principle.) There are two sayings which come to mind, one being, "Do not let the left hand know what the right is doing...," and another, which a man I once knew heard from his father, (sexist implications ignored in this instance): "Do not show an unfinished project to a woman or a half-crazy man."  Re the former saying, I would like to mention that I recently read some kind of tantric teaching which speaks of the virtue of always approaching from the left, the main point of all of this being that some things cannot directly be said but only experienced.

And yet some things cannot be left unsaid but must be spoken. Most of us have probably experienced to at least some degree that our parents took our voices away and would not let us speak. Maybe they were trying to help us survive, but do you (figuratively) cut a person's tongue out? My mom used to say to me "don't be smart, missy."  Well, I followed her instructions.

Gotta go. Love, Wry

[owenthomas]

Wry seems to be the only other person in this conversation with Owen. Has anyone else read her introduction?

Wry seems serious in her use of this 'bulletin board' style of communication and this 'bulletin board' is all we have manifested via Project Mind. I will continue this conversation in the hope of bringing some other live communication into this site.

I have sent messages to David via a mailing list before his book was published under the cover name of T. Kun. I have talked to him via voice on the internet. I have never had satisfactory communication with him because every idea I proposed was rejected. Sometimes he told me to read his words again. He never asked me to clarify an idea and for that reason I suspect that he never wanted to understand me. Now I want a dialog and Wry is the only survivor who is answering and I wonder if she wants to discuss the vision of Project Mind.

I will complete my 83'rd revolution (around the sun) on the 18th of this month. I was part of an engineering team of only 6 people that brought a revolution into submarine detection systems by rebuilding an older sonar system for new usage under the polar ice. I experienced a revolution in metaphysical thought when I first read and considered the Tao Te Ching where I learned that the entire spiritual and material world is a flow of energies.

Wry brings abundant energy to this project. The flow of a river can sometimes be harnessed to do useful work; the flow is harnessed by expenditure of physical human work. It seems to me that this project needs a PHYSICAL PROJECT that will harness any energy that remains after David attracted us via his vision.

This 'bulletin board' is a place where we can communicate and the only physical energy we can share is through writing to the forum while we are separated in physical space. This particular message is an appreciation for the personality being revealed as Wry. I am attempting to reveal my personality.

Is anyone else reading? Does anyone else want to add some life energy to Project Mind/

With Love and the desire of blessings for all creatures on this beautiful planet,

Owen

[wry]

Owen wrote:
Re: PMF Vision
Reply #18 on: Today at 06:49:27 am




Wry seems to be the only other person in this conversation with Owen. Has anyone else read her introduction?

Wry seems serious in her use of this 'bulletin board' style of communication and this 'bulletin board' is all we have manifested via Project Mind. I will continue this conversation in the hope of bringing some other live communication into this site.
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Wry: Hi Owen. I appreciate your participation, and yes, at least some people are probably reading this, of course, but I don't think people should speak unless they really have something to say, and sometimes people need to digest by pondering what they read. Sometimes it takes me a long time.
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I have sent messages to David via a mailing list before his book was published under the cover name of T. Kun. I have talked to him via voice on the internet. I have never had satisfactory communication with him because every idea I proposed was rejected. Sometimes he told me to read his words again. He never asked me to clarify an idea and for that reason I suspect that he never wanted to understand me.
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Wry: I had similar experiences, too; however I never cared if he was trying to understand me, though it puts material into a fuller context to have a few details about a person such as you have asked me. My sense, which could be wrong, is that AT does not have that much to do with personality. Some of my material which I felt at the time was very pertinent and very much in the spirit of inquiry was censored several years ago, which is why I lost the desire to partipate even though I was quite sparked at the time, and then again, a few months ago, but that is okay, and the second time I received insight from what he wrote.. Now we have a different situation, but that other situation preceeded this one and is in some way interconnted, so I think there is a causal factor with that which led to this.
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 Now I want a dialog and Wry is the only survivor who is answering and I wonder if she wants to discuss the vision of Project Mind.
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Wry: Sure, if I can find the time and continue learning from it. To me this subject is very interesting. In a few days I will probably move my discusssion to another thread and start inquiring more into dynamics.
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I will complete my 83'rd revolution (around the sun) on the 18th of this month. I was part of an engineering team of only 6 people that brought a revolution into submarine detection systems by rebuilding an older sonar system for new usage under the polar ice. I experienced a revolution in metaphysical thought when I first read and considered the Tao Te Ching where I learned that the entire spiritual and material world is a flow of energies.

Wry brings abundant energy to this project. The flow of a river can sometimes be harnessed to do useful work; the flow is harnessed by expenditure of physical human work
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Wry: That work can be inner and/OR outer.
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 It seems to me that this project needs a PHYSICAL PROJECT that will harness any energy that remains after David attracted us via his vision.
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Wry: I think he framed his vision in a very narrow way (by narrow not meaning limited, but specifically focused) which created an artificial ( meaning this in a positive way, such as by art, which art is a higher function of the mind of man) a specific framework which was so defined (in his mind, by his personal vision) that it functioned as a conduit. I think inquiry is necessary, and we never know where it will go, but we don't want to lose the force/focus/ channel of that specific kind of conduit. At the very least, in my opinion, we should try to see if we can inquire, but still sustain that kind of focus which is like a powerful shard of light burning through the clouds..
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This 'bulletin board' is a place where we can communicate and the only physical energy we can share is through writing to the forum while we are separated in physical space.
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Wry: That is a lot. We are physical bodies that can sense, intuit, feel and think as we  are interconnecting via an electro-magnetic medium.
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This particular message is an appreciation for the personality being revealed as Wry. I am attempting to reveal my personality.
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Wry. I appeciate dialoging with you and enjoy hearing personal details and will even give more about myself and would like to hear more about you, though I don't think we should focus too much on personality. Who a person is will be expressed by what he writes. I already feel I know the people who have written here. +This may be an illusion, but it functions for me.+

Re doing a 'physical' project (I put the marks around physical, as all projects are physical), personally I do not feel it is that important right now, but other people may feel differently. That is why it it is good that there is a balance of men and women on this list. Men are kind of direct doers and often want to get right down to a project. I am not sure, but maybe David was like that too in many ways, being a guy. This is just speculation, but maybe he had a profound or many profound experiences of accelerated thought and immediately wanted to tranlate that into specifically saving humanity. Many people would perceive that as an utopian vision.

+Whether it is a utopian vision or not, if you have a inspired vision, then you cannot let other people break it down, so even though I did not agree with some of David's points in that I wonder if he was skipping steps in the way he was thinking, I am going to try honor the kind of approach he used, which in some way must have directly corresponded with his vision, by keeping as 'narrow' a focus as possible, while still being true to myself.+

I hope you are learning something from interacting with me, not so much from what I am saying, but from your own personal inquiry regarding this kind of subject. Personally I am having a couple of extremely interesting insights regarding thinking about what I am writing to you.
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Is anyone else reading? Does anyone else want to add some life energy to Project Mind/
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Wry: This is not a social club. Sometimes talking adds something and sometimes it takes something away in that it can serve as a sideways kind of deflection. Of one thing I am certain, having read the messages of those who have contributed, no one is going to take away these particular people's tongues, and they will speak when they consider it pertinent.
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With Love and the desire of blessings for all creatures on this beautiful planet,

Owen
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Wry: love to you, to, Owen, and thanks.

[owenthomas]

Project Mind.

What is this type of project? David did write about a 'physical project' via an illustation by an architect. Architects often illustrate their vision that will be converted to a physical plan for physical construction.

Project Mind did not progress to the point of planning a 'physical project' because physical funds were not placed into a 'physical bank account'.

We have internet resources that are funded by a web service as a donation and by each person that connects via the internet. Those are the extent of any 'physical project' that I can define at present.

I would like to define the two parts of the PM. One is a physical communication project via the internet and another which is a hoped for physical project for a building. The two projects combine into an unified project.

The funding for the physical communication project is already sufficient as long as the internet site is available and we have individual internet connections.

The building project is on hold until the communication project can develop some way to attract physical funding.

Is this an agreeable beginning for expanding the definition of PM?

[wry]

Hi Owen. I have interjected some comments into your message below.
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Re: PMF Vision
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 01:42:36 pm »Quote



Project Mind.

What is this type of project? David did write about a 'physical project' via an illustation by an architect. Architects often illustrate their vision that will be converted to a physical plan for physical construction.

Project Mind did not progress to the point of planning a 'physical project' because physical funds were not placed into a 'physical bank account'.
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Wry: I am not sure this is as comprehensive way of looking at the entire picture as is possible. It is kind of like saying that a garden was not made because so and so did not put the seeds in the ground. This is not really why the garden was not made, but just taking the causal factor that occurs right before the making  of the garden.
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We have internet resources that are funded by a web service as a donation and by each person that connects via the internet. Those are the extent of any 'physical project' that I can define at present.

I would like to define the two parts of the PM. One is a physical communication project via the internet and another which is a hoped for physical project for a building. The two projects combine into an unified project.
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Wry: Well. as I understand from the little I know, which could be wrong, this entire project depends on what has been called accelerated thought. If we leave that out, then it is not the same project. I do not know much about AT but can logically assume that it works by (somewhat) different principles than ordinary thought, which is conditioned, partial, reactionary, formatory (seeing things in black and white only, such as this is the opposite of that, so over-conceptual) and contaminated by ignorance and various forms of negative emotion. This presumably creates a lag so that our thinking is not accelerated but we are thinking kind of slow.
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The funding for the physical communication project is already sufficient as long as the internet site is available and we have individual internet connections.

The building project is on hold until the communication project can develop some way to attract physical funding.

Is this an agreeable beginning for expanding the definition of PM?
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Wry: To me the success of this entire projects hinges on developing AT within ourselves or at least within someone who is interconnected to the project. Without AT, no project, but the people here could do a different project such as choose one scientist who is doing good work and send him some money, (hough he is probably already getting enough money, as such people tend to attract it) just leaving the concept of AT out of it, though personally I do not have any money to send anyone. I do believe the thinking of anyone would work more efficiently under conditions of leisure where there is little stress, though actually even this might not be true. It might work better under stress. So are we going to find various studies that support each of these premises and compare them? That is slow thinking, and yet it might be intelligent to look at such studies. I am not sure because obviously my thinking is not particulary accelerated, so I hope you get the general gist of this.

When I get a chance, I will try to reread the entire thread once again and make more comments. Wry

[owenthomas]

wry,
Your previous post refers to AT. I have thought about thought several times in the last two days. My present thought is concentrating on the type of thought which might be accelerated. Many times my thought switches often between topics until I find that I am thinking of a completely different topic.

We have guests who are departing today for Palm Springs and many of my recent thoughts have been related to their visit. This thread has been related to a general discussion with wry for the entire period of the visit. My attention has been diverted from one to another topic.

Now I am going to leave this general topic and switch my attention to the already existing thread on this forum where there are only two writings and each of them seem to be directed to AT even though they are reported at the slower speed of the internet. I will consider how I may sometimes accelerate my thinking and will make reports to that thread.

Love and blessing to all.

Owen

[wry]

Owen wrote:
"wry,
Your previous post refers to AT. I have thought about thought several times in the last two days. My present thought is concentrating on the type of thought which might be accelerated. Many times my thought switches often between topics until I find that I am thinking of a completely different topic."

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Wry:  Hi Owen. I appreciate what you wrote. Yes, thinking, which is by its very nature associative, wants to go in many directions and look from many different angles. I have even heard that many scientists had a big breakthough when they were thinking about or focusing on something else, and then there is made a seemingly inadvertant analogy or correspondence, which is also framed contextually, but the material is seen in a new way which leads to a reorganization of the entire mind so that such an insight is a natural end-product which is outside of (the measurement of) thought time, in that ii is instantaneous; however, it is also natural for thought to cling to the perceived end product of such a reorganization, much like worshipping a golden cow.

In this regard, one can read what I have written above from the perspective of the old focus, or one can read it from the perspective of the new or unknown. which means, to some degree, letting go of the old, but the question is, can conditioned thought, which still contains the seeds of its own repetition, lead to the new? I ask this because the way we are thinking in general may be based on many wrong ideas. So, Can the old way of thinking lead by the natural modification of itself, to originality? From my own experience in participating in very deep inquiry, I would say, no. It is necessary for there to be an approach which breaks away from the conditioned patterns of conceptuality in that the penetrating sun of looking very deeply (which looking is free from making mechanical associations), of focusing very intently, with the mind completely open to the unknown, can burn off the dross of the clouds and allow for insight or spontaneous epiphany, but to extend the duration of such epiphany might be an unrealistic expectation, as epiphany occurs from a reorganization of the mind, which imind, being the conscious perception of oneself, includes the entire functioning of a human being; so, for example, what we are doing, the way we are living our lives further supports and conditions the repetitive way we continue to live and to think, and the way we aproach and write on this forum can do that, too. 

Now I will move to the other thread, and if anyone wants to respond to this, please cut and paste my message and respond there, but I wanted to post this here, as my future participation will be based on working with the entire functioning of a human being in that the entire functioning, which is interdependent with thought, constitutes the mind.  Sincerely, Wry

[wry]

Hi. I want to go back to one of the ideas I recall reading in this thread. I forget who wrote it and do not know if such a statement conforms with the general approach of project mind, but I would want to look at this idea more carefully, as if we just leave it and go on without questioning, then that idea may be taken, at least by some, as a kind of given.

The premise is that through scientific breakthroughs there will be created abundance which will allow people the leisure to transform their minds. As I wrote before, I agree that it is necessary for people who are caught up in great stress and struggle and trying desperately to survive, which probably describes the condition of much of humanity, to have at least a certain degree of leisure in order be able to focus on transforming their minds, but the idea that when abundance is created people will then be able to transform their minds or will even automatically be interested in attempting to do that is an extremely weak premise, as leisure is only one factor which is required, and I do not see much evidence (from studying how my own mind works and also from observing the functioning of many other people) that such would actually be the case,  even IF it is possible to enact the degree of scienftic breakthrough that would create such abundance for everyone.

So anyone who is folowing this thread, please try to look very deeply at this particular idea and ponder it. It is my understanding, and I may be wrong, so if I am, someone please write here or privately correct me, that this thread is created not just to lay out the aim of of project mind, but also to discuss and give feedback regarding the basic premise upon which this aim is formulated and so possibly refine or even redefine our approach in such a way that there is a better possibility for the original altruistic intention to be actualized. As I said before, inquiry may be difficult, but I do not want to skip steps in my thinking.

(And here is another question, which maybe we can go into on the AT thread: If I skip taking logical steps in my thinking and just assume that one thing will lead to another because I believe it in, what will happen?  I may try to do something very fast, without thinking about it, but will this lead to accelerated thought?  And yet it is important to have faith in what I am doing. Is faith simply believing in an idea or does it have a broader application related to taking a step or action in present time?) 

Okay. I am very busy right now and it is hard to find time to write, but I will try continue when somethiung new comes to me.  Love, Wry

[owenthomas]

Wry,
My understanding of a logical plan of development for Project Mind:

I think this vision is simply a statement of desired outcome. Is the desire specified with enough clarity and detail to attract others to the project. Would you like to clarify or amplify the vision?

When we agree upon the statment of a vision we need to proceed to the next step that describes the actions which will bring the vision to reality.

With love and blessings,

Owen

[wry]

 Re: PMF Vision
 on: July 01, 2009, 11:06:16 am
Owen wrote:


Wry,
My understanding of a logical plan of development for Project Mind:

I think this vision is simply a statement of desired outcome. Is the desire specified with enough clarity and detail to attract others to the project. Would you like to clarify or amplify the vision?

When we agree upon the statment of a vision we need to proceed to the next step that describes the actions which will bring the vision to reality.

With love and blessings,

Owen
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Hi Owen. The problem for me is that the vision is clear enough if I skip logical steps of thinking and just believe in it, but when I look at it more carefully, I do not see the actions, as outlined, leading to the result that is projected. I see the kind of skipped steps in thinking that often happen with various forms of idealism.

I do not see that putting various scientists in a room and accelerating their thinking process (if such is even possible) can lead to the solution of various problems for humanity by creating (the conditions which will lead to) abundance. To me that is a naive. Even if we can get others to believe in this vision and so do raise funds to proceed, I do not see that such will lead to the desired outcome.

I am thinking that most if not all of us probably do not even know what accelerated thought is, though we have have experienced a little flash or an inkling of a different kind of thinking which we perceive to be AT.

The reason I was and still am attracted to this project is because of the idea of accelerated thought, as my special subject of study, about which I am passionate, is how social sysytems organize and so can be stimulated to further organize on the internet, which is an electro-magnetic medium, specially how certain seeds can be planted which will lead to the general conditions which might stimulate epiphany in more people; however, each person has to change his own way of thinking and see things for himself. If a person is selfish and does not want to share, making it possible by various innovations of science for him to have food, clothing and shelter will probably not change that inner greed, though if other human beings begin to be generous, then this can catch on like wildfire, so personally, I think it might be more beneficial to focus in the direction of the latter, such as study how to promote genrosity in people.

+Only if the mind of an individual is transformed, will the world around him begin to change, but in order for this to happen each person whose mind is (going to be) transformed needs to be an active participant. Moreover, the mind can only be transformed now and not later, which seems to me must be one of the basic principles of the dynamics of what is called accelerated thought, but in seeming contradiction to this is another basic principle-- that the transformation of a human mind can only happen by cause and effect.+

^If even a (few) hundred people can reconcile these two principles within themselves in such a way that both are operative +*at the same time*+, I believe we will see a radical change in the general functioning of humanity, as even though each person thinks for himself, such thinking does organize and resonate in conjunction with the thinking of other people, so in this sense, the way a person thinks can be immediately world changing; however, again, one step at a time.^

We all need our little or big projects to keep us seemingly on the track, but if wrong thinking/and so the wrong set of dynamics is behind what I am doing (speaking from my own life and personal experience), such as if I am grasping to make this or that project much like I grasp at collecting various objects, then I do not achieve the extremely delicate balance that is required between various factors of my own functioning, so the timing is off and my thinking is slow, though, because I am so engaged with what I am doing,  it feels like the appropriate speed to me  But this kind of engagement is an identification.

In conclusion, I think there may be a basic misunderstanding about what is being referred to as accelerated thought, and I will begin to go into this little by little, on the other thread, when I can find the time. Love, Wry